Demande de conseils pour Traverser le Moyen Orient (Turquie-Inde)
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le 11 février 2012 à 21:05 dans Itinéraires Israël et Territoires palestiniensBonjour, nous sommes un couple de Français qui faisons le tour du monde à pied, en stop, et parfois en bus. Nous avons déja fait Paris-Istanbul (+ou-9mois) et la prochaine
« grosse » destination est l’Inde en passant par les territoires palestiniens[Pour ce qui est du tampon
israélien sur le passeport qui interdit par la suite l’entrée dans tous les
pays musulmans, on s’est renseigné et il peut être délivré sur une feuille
annexe au passeport (donc on peut continuer).]
Il y a plusieurs routes qui s’offrent à nous, et avant de
faire un choix, on aimerait avoir différents avis de gens qui y sont allé
récemment ou qui connaissent la réalité du terrain.
On est évidemment en train de se renseigner. On sait que ça
craint d’un point de vue géopolitique…
Notre démarche est de savoir si on peut passer en
s’adaptant, ou est-ce que c’est vraiment craignos ???
Pour descendre de
Turquie en Palestine :
passer par Chypre puis le Liban et Israël
Ou passer par la
Syrie, Jordanie ou Liban, puis Israël
Pour repartir de
Palestine en direction de l’Inde….
La route du Sud et la mer : Soit se diriger vers
l’Arabie Saoudite (apparemment aucun visa touristique délivré) puis les Emirats
et tenter de prendre un bateau (pas évident non plus) ou un vol jusqu’en Inde
(à priori on est contre prendre l’avion)
La route de l’Est : Jordanie, Syrie (traversée
rapidement en bus), ou Irak(au Nord, partie Kurde) puis Iran et Pakistan
On vous laisse commenter, c’est la route que l’on
préfèrerait prendre !!
La route du Nord : Remonter jusqu’en Turquie,
éventuellement en bateau pour sauter la Syrie
, puis direction l’Arménie et les pays en
–stan. (grosses difficultés d’obtention des visas et pas plus women friendly,
voire friendly tout court…)
Enfin la dernière possibilité, mais qui fait chier :
prendre un vol entre Beyrouth et l’Inde… On loupe tout
On attend votre retour !!!
route en stop
Posté par david_12 (2 messages) le 15 février 2012 à 21:30 Salut,
Je crois que la plupart des personnes ont des difficultés pour se rendre en Inde et obtenir le visa pour le Pakistan, d'où l'option de prendre le bateau. Cependant, je pense que c'est aussi très difficile de trouver un bateau depuis l'Iran ou Émiras vers l'Inde. Voici ce que j'ai trouvé récemment sur le sujet sur le site de couchsurfing. Vous pourriez aussi passer par la Turquie, la Géorgie, la Russie et la Chine.
OK, I can give you all a little info about this, though I tell you now, none of it is really positive.I was trying to hitch all the way back to Australia overland and by sea last year, and it would have been around March (2011) I think that I ended up in Muscat and Dubai fishing for a ship to take me to India. After very little time at the harbour in Muscat, I found some officials who told me that it wasn't possible, illegal in fact, to leave via a boat. The boats I am talking about in particular are called "dhow" boats. They are very simple things, nothing safe about them whatsoever, probably one of the most dangerous ways to cross the ocean is in one of these, but they are also the best bet (or seemed so at the time). I didn't persist, but went to Dubai, where I spent over a week talking to people and looking for boats every single day.A few years ago it was possible, and I heard lots of stories of people who did it back then, but nothing of anyone doing it after the terrorist attack in Mumbai. That's because from what I worked out, India has made it ILLEGAL for any foreigner to arrive via ship (cargo freighters excluded, which are possible, i'll get to that later), this is because supposedly the terrorists were Pakistani and they arrived on a dhow. So there is this huge amount of confusion really at the moment, nobody really knows the deal in terms of a foreigner being on a dhow boat. At the Indian embassy I was told it wasn't a problem, however think about it, how would some random guy at the embassy know some small random rule about foreigners not being allowed to arrive on dhow boats?? I heard from Indian captains about the rule, plus a bit of online research. The UAE officials are really difficult to deal with as well. Firstly because you have NO idea where the hell you are supposed to go, there are so many different spots labelled "immigration" or "customs" that all look like they might be the right place, but they either tell you to go elsewhere, won't talk to you and ignore you, or tell you it's not possible and not listen to any reason.If it were possible though, and for anyone else out there trying to do this, I'll tell you what I discovered which might help you in your own search (because I know that you will want to try despite reading this :) ). In Dubai I found no dhows actually going to India. HEAPS going to everywhere else, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran - none to India. There's also the problem of communication. Just about none of the boat workers speak any English. In Dubai they are mostly lined out where tourists walk past them and take photos of them, so often they don't take kindly to you approaching them. Try here if you want, but in 1 week I didn't find one heading to India, but I'm sure some of the time they float around there, just not when i was lookinghowever, "Sharjah" is actually the best place to look around I think. Its along the coast from Dubai, maybe 30-40 mins in a bus. The dhow harbour is actually very close to the bus station. From the station, just walk in the direction of the harbour and you will soon find a long channel packed thick with Dhow boats (make sure you walk right past the fishmarket. For anyone who arrived from Iran via ferry, this is where you arrived, and you would have seen these dhow's before. Now walk right (facing the harbour right that is), and in all these dhow's I found 2 going to India in about 4 or 5 days of looking. Almost nobody speaks English though. I had an Indian friend who could talk to the crew for me, which prooved extremely valuable, because 1 of the 2 ships didn't speak any English. In fact, the captain of the second ship I found was the ONLY guy i found in that whole harbour speaking English, which was lucky. OK, you can also cross over to the other side on a tiny little ferry. The other boat I found going to India was on this side, all the way past the bigger cargo ships I found another few dhow's tucked away.Also, if anyone is trying to do this, you should know that I think the best immigration office to try is the one in this harbour, at the very end of the dhow's (on the side you have to cross to in the small boat, all the way to the right (when facing the sea this time)) harbour. I can't remember what it's called, but that's the only place I ever made any serious progress with the officials, they were actually helpful for once. They said that from their side of things, they would probably (they never confirmed it) let me leave UAE with a stamp on my passport if they could talk to the captain and get him to confirm I was going with him (though they told me it was impossible to get a captain to take me on board).One other piece of information I have to help anyone, is to tell you how the heirachy of the ships work. I actually had 2 captains say they would take me, one wanted a little money, the other (English speaking one) just wanted to help me in my adventure. But, the captain don't get the final say in things. The boats also have "owners," who are a step up from the captain, they are the businessmen behind the boats, who stay on dry land and the captains are just the drivers. It was the owners who declined me passage, not the captains. They both said it was because it was illegal in India for me to arrive with them, and they didn't want anything to do with me. One of them had done it several times before, but several years ago (before the terrorist attack) and now told me no. That guy would have actually taken me for a large sum of money (several hundred $$$), he ran illegal immigrants as a side business...but the other bloke was just a straight NO.Alright, I know I have written a lot, but I write it all in this detail so that hopefully I can help someone achieve what I failed. I don't mean to sound negative, I'm just trying to tell you all my experiences, I still think it's possible, just highly difficult, and you can have serious problems at the other end when you arrive in India. but maybe if you're good at bribing... ;)When i was trying there was a Dutch fellow also trying the same, he stuck around Dubai for almost 2 months and didn't find anything, so he took a freight ship to India for something like $1000, and flights were only $150, so it is incredibly expensiveIf anyone does manage to cross in a dhow, please let me know, it would be great to hear it is possible! hope this helps someone
Aucune garantie pour le tampon
Posté par catw (807 messages) le 16 février 2012 à 10:52 Il n’y a aucune garantie que les autorités israéliennes acceptent de ne pas tamponner votre passeport. En général ils acceptent, mais il arrive qu’ils refusent, ou qu’ils tamponnent par erreur. N’oubliez pas que vous devez aussi demander aux officiels de l’autre côté de la frontière (Jordanie ou Egypte) de ne pas tamponner votre passeport, car cela trahirait aussi votre passage en Israël.
Je vous suggère fortement de vous faire délivrer un second passeport afin d’éviter de gâcher votre voyage.
tampon israëlien sur passeport.
Posté par jlux (46 messages) le 7 mars 2012 à 21:39 Bonjour, je plussoie le post qui précède.
Lors d'un court voyage en Israël, je n'ai pas pu empêcher les douaniers de l'aéroport de Tel Aviv de tamponner mon passeport..
Donc absolument pas compter là dessus.
Leur réponse: "Why? we are in peace with Egypt / with Morocco ...."
Je n'ai pas osé citer d'autres pays.
"In peace" .... mais çà ne les a pas empêché de me contrôler minutieusement avant le retour (de ce même aéroport à cause de tampons marocain & indonésien )
C'était en Novembre 2010 donc avant les printemps arabes..
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